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02/21/2020 Joe Agostinelli, DPM
Should a wound care rotation be a part of residency?
I respectfully disagree with Dr. Peacock’s comments on doing away with waste of time rotations and only teaching surgery to our podiatric residents. I come to this because of my background as a DPM in the USAF for 23 years in orthopedic clinics then 13 years in private practice with a large orthopedic surgical group as their DPM.
During my first assignment at a USAF hospital that trained 25 orthopedic surgeons , I quickly realized the need to become a “good doctor first “ then a surgeon after that . The four years of podiatry school gave us the background in biomechanics, surgery, palliative care, etc. and the mostly one and few two-year residencies at the time then trained you as a “foot surgeon.”
My first chief of orthopedics at the time told me our problem as DPMs was the lack of standardization of our post graduate training. He explained how the initial year of “ internship “ after 4 years of medical podiatric medical school was vitally important to ensuring we were “physicians first.” That’s why the orthopedic residents had a full year of either internal medicine, or general surgery with the obligatory rotations needed to complete your doctorship training. The next 4 years was devoted to orthopedic surgery and the subspecialties of orthopedic surgery.
Spending three years as a DPM with the orthopedic residents convinced me early in my professional career that we needed the various rotations to treat the whole patient rather than just their foot! Fortunately, my PSR -12 residency had the required rotations as well as the podiatric surgery needed as a DPM at the time, with the more advanced foot and ankle surgery learned through working with the orthopedic surgeons early in my USAF career .What is puzzling to me is when comparing our DPM 4 years of podiatric medical school then 3 years of post- graduate residency to an orthopedist’s 4 years of medical school, one year of internship and then 4 years of orthopedic surgery.
That’s why I have been supportive of having “podiatry/podiatric surgery” becoming a “regional specialty residency” within the regular medical school/internship/post-graduate residency model. This would necessitate a degree change, naturally, with podiatry/podiatric surgery becoming a true “MD medical specialty. We only lack the critical one year medical/ general surgery internship prior to our 3 year comprehensive DPM post- graduate residency. We have a total 7 year process for a fully trained podiatrist /podiatric surgeon, with a still limited license versus the 9 years total of a fully trained orthopedic surgeon without a limited license.
Without the non-surgical, medical rotations how can we properly evaluate the whole patient pre- operatively, intra-operatively and post- operatively? How do we handle co-morbidities, complications of surgery, etc. without a thorough medical background? Do we evolve into “just being trained in how to perform the actual surgery” without the requisite background we could attain by becoming a “good doctor” first?
Joe Agostinelli, DPM, Niceville, FL
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02/25/2020 Don Peacock DPM, MS
Should a wound care rotation be a part of residency?
Residents need to be trained in surgery. During school, we are taught how to assess a patient from a biomechanical standpoint and how to cast orthotics. We certainly are taught how to administer palliative care and even contact casting. We are taught how to interpret vascular exams and do rotations through vascular departments while in school.
We were also taught how to do ingrown nails in school. I did ingrown nails with phenol procedures while I was in school. These things can easily be taught in a busy podiatric medical school clinic. In our fourth year, we do rotations through the various disciplines that we pick or we rotate through podiatric surgery residencies that perform both in-house and outpatient procedures and techniques.
We only have the residency years to learn as much surgery in the foot and ankle as you can. All podiatric surgical residents should have scrubbed and performed on a minimum of 1,000 cases before practice begins. Until these criteria are reached we are spinning the wheels. It makes no sense. You have to do surgery in your training and lots of it to be a trained podiatrist.
There are other things lacking in our training. Podiatric surgery residents need to be taught better surgical ways to handle wounds. Minimally invasive techniques are scientifically proven to outperform many traditional techniques for wound healing.
We are not taught any of these techniques in our surgical residencies. This is a tragedy. Search the literature for minimally invasive and percutaneous techniques for the resolve of ulcerations in the foot.
The fact that we are not teaching minimally invasive techniques for the purposes of wound care is absolutely crazy. It's an outright shame. Very few podiatrists know these techniques and cannot perform them. Our public searches minimally invasive procedures and the awareness is growing by leaps and bounds.
Some are afraid to start this type of training because of things that happened in the yesteryear. This is not the case today. We are dropping the ball and hurting our patients by not teaching percutaneous and MIS procedures in the foot and ankle as a part of the residency program.
Don Peacock DPM, MS, Whiteville, NC
02/20/2020 Michael M. Rosenblatt, DPM
Should a wound care rotation be a part of residency? (Robin Lenz, DPM)
Robin Lenz, DPM recently wrote a letter explaining how important wound care issues are and should be a part of every DPM residency. I strongly agree. Some years before I retired, I heard an orthopedist who routinely used Achilles Tendon lengthening and gastrocnemius recession to treat very severe diabetic ulcerations, even for patients with very poor circulation. He presented sound evidence that this should be a “part of podiatric care” for diabetic ulcers. He made the point that DPMs should be doing MANY more of these than presently done. He also used some tendon releases in other tendons, but most of his surgery was gastroc recession and Achilles tendon lengthening.
When questioned about malpractice risk for patients with very poor circulation, he provided data that showed virtually NO amputations after his surgeries. I found this shocking and unexpected.
I had always thought that surgery on diabetics is rife with malpractice risk and that DPMs should be wary of attempting it. Perhaps this should be “restricted” to DPMs, DOs and MDs associated with a large medical group or academic environment that would provide deep pocket back-up. Or so I thought. This orthopedist strongly disagreed. (We should also mention that these types of procedures are available in minimal incision format which makes them even more attractive.)
This represents a “marriage” between foot and ankle biomechanics, foot type diagnosis, severe metabolic disease, ulcerations, and surgery. It fits together like a jigsaw puzzle. I present this argument with multiple literature references:
https://www.podiatrytoday.com/tendon- lengthening-best-treatment-diabetic-foot-ulcers Excellent bibliography of references
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/268129 13_Midfoot_Ulcers_Treated_with_Gastrocnemius- Soleus_Recession
Surgery and ulcer healing in patients with equinus | Lower Extremity Review Magazine Excellent discussion of various types of tendon lengthening procedures. (Very good list of 11 specific references)
I applaud Dr. Lenz for very modern thinking about diabetic wound care. We are now graduating thousands of nurse-practitioners and others who are looking to take on a role in foot care. Surgery on diabetics and others with severe lesions are not only very successful (according to the literature), but also keeps us firmly planted in a range that is consonant with our excellent training. It keeps us relevant.
All indications point to a continued epidemic of Type II diabetes in our populations. This is an important arena where podiatrists can maintain their legitimacy in care we provide to patients.
Michael M. Rosenblatt, DPM, Henderson, NV
02/19/2020 Robin Lenz, DPM
Should a wound care rotation be a part of residency?
I work in a 14 podiatrist group, with 4 doctors dedicated to wound care. We work in 4 wound care centers. We have residents rotate with us. podiatry school taught me much of the basics, but my residency is where I learned the majority of my wound care knowledge.
The residents rotating through our facilities learn about gastrocnemius recessions for plantar forefoot ulcers, Selective plantar fascial release for IPJ ulcers, flexor and extensor tenotomies to heal ulcers, peroneus longus to brevis transfer for plantar first metatarsal head ulcers and the Level 1 JBJS evidence behind it, plus the problem solving skills to surgically offload ulcerations from feet that have undergone multiple other amputations. They learn about preserving the metatarsal parabola or performing other procedures to reduce wound transfer and recurrence. They learn that isolated Gastrocnemius recessions can heal plantar midfoot Charcot ulcers without extensive reconstruction. They learn about instill wound VACs and the most recent consensus guidelines around those treatments. They learn that nearly all plantar wounds can get total contact casts. They learn about the long list of advanced tissue products now available as well as split thickness skin grafts. They see our close interaction with the vascular surgery, interventional cardiology, and interventional radiology. They leave the rotation with a much greater appreciation for how advanced wound care can be. Without this exposure, it is easy to consider wound care a small part of podiatry, while there are a growing number of podiatrists who are now dedicated sub-specialists in wound care.
Some podiatrists want to do reconstructive foot and ankle surgery, some want to be palliative doctors. Another very rewarding option is being a subspecialist in wound care and limb salvage, which is a nice middle ground of advanced surgical procedures with an exhaustive list of conservative options. I would never be in the position I am now without my wound care rotations.
Robin Lenz, DPM, Toms River, NJ
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