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04/03/2019
RESPONSES/COMMENTS (NON-CLINICAL) - PART 1
RE: Using a DPM Degree Outside of Podiatry (Ira Baum, DPM)
From: David Secord, DPM
I first heard discussion of how we don’t attend medical school from one of my attendings during my residency at the Graduate Hospital under Harold Schoenhaus. I’ve heard this several times during my time in practice. The real litmus test for this meme would be asking someone who attended podiatric medical school and then attended a medical school which rendered an MD degree. This all leads towards the discussion of podiatrists having gone to medical school or not. I went to medical school. I just didn’t go to one that yields an MD or DO behind my name.
I started becoming more militant about this point when the guy I had as a 3rd and 4th year roommate went on after podiatric medical school to get an MD. He graduated 1st in our class at Temple, and 1st in his class at Robert Wood Johnson Medical School in New Jersey. He is currently a...
Editor's note: Dr. Secord's extended-length letter can be read here.
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08/27/2024
RESPONSES/COMMENTS (NON-CLINICAL) - PART 1
RE: APMA Wants My Money, Not My Vote
From: APMA Member
APMA excludes Life members from voting, then asks for money. I feel quite disappointed that the recent referendum about the new definition for podiatric physician that APMA is seeking approval for has excluded life members from voting. Who better than people who have longitudinal knowledge and experience to be able to shed insight into this process?
And then the same week, I receive a lifetime member contribution form with APMA asking for $150 from me. I have always paid this contribution amount to APMA, but this year I’m refraining from doing so because obviously if my vote doesn’t count, neither does my money.
APMA Member (Verified)
08/26/2024
RESPONSES/COMMENTS (NON-CLINICAL) - PART 1
RE: Podiatrists Should be Doing Their Compliance Due Diligence
From: Lawrence Rubin, DPM
Due diligence refers to the reasonable steps that should be taken by a person or business entity in order to satisfy legal requirements. This diligence should include complying with the Medicare Office of the Inspector General (OIG) strong recommendation to have a provider and staff written compliance plan that is implemented and kept up-to-date.
There is no better way to avoid unintentional coding and documentation errors from resulting in an audit that can lead to potentially devastating punitive actions. This is because the OIG is on record for saying: Having a provider and staff (including outsourced billing staff) compliance program can be a mitigating factor in the decision of whether or not we (OIG) effect punitive action.
If you are a solo or small group practice owner or manager and are interested in knowing more about Medicare compliance matters, discuss this with your healthcare attorney or a qualified compliance consultant.
Lawrence Rubin, DPM, Las Vegas, NV
08/19/2024
RESPONSES/COMMENTS (NON-CLINICAL) - PART 1B
From: Steven Finer, DPM
After reading Dr. Tomczak’s post, I reviewed the various boards in Pennsylvania. The Podiatry Board is the only medical one that requires two physicians, save one other. Physical therapists, require one. I have not researched the history of these board hand holdings. Somewhere in our past, podiatrists needed a lot of guidance, lest they stumble and do something idiotic. It seems that chiropractors, optometrists, and dentists do not need any help.
Steven Finer, DPM, Philadelphia, PA
08/15/2024
RESPONSES/COMMENTS (NON-CLINICAL) - PART 1
From Paul Kesselman, DPM
Orthotics are custom fabricated, custom fitted, off-the-shelf, etc. Some companies advertise their wares as being able to cure everything and custom fabricated. While not every consumer can sniff out the snake oil salesman as medical providers, it is our job to report those who violate the law! Each state has different board regulations on who can dispense orthotics. If a company is marketing custom fabricated or custom fitted orthotics to the consumer, there are often state laws limiting this activity.
One can identify the 20 or so states which strictly regulate who can provide orthotic devices. By visiting the NPE West contractor at NSC, one can search under tools bar for a particular state's licensure database for all sorts of DME. Here you can find your state's licensure requirements for dispensing all types of orthotic devices. If you find that you practice in a state requiring a licensure and should the orthotic manufacturer be marketing directly to the consumer, this may be a reportable violation of the state’s laws and must be reported. There may be different regulations between custom fit, off-the-shelf and custom fabricated orthotics. So one needs to be careful to check all three benefit categories (OR1 =Custom Fabricated, OR2=Custom Fitted; OR3=Off-the-Shelf).
It is important to note that while this information is available on a Medicare contractor's website, the NPE contractor is using your state's board information and this is updated on a fairly regular basis. Thus, it is both fairly reliable and accurate.
Paul Kesselman, DPM, Oceanside, NY
08/14/2024
RESPONSES/COMMENTS (NON-CLINICAL) - PART 1
RE: False Advertising about Orthotics? (Vincent Gramuglia, DPM)
From Elliot Udell, DPM
Dr. Gramuglia brings up two issues. One is whether a non-medical professional can prescribe orthotics. The other is whether a provider, professional or non-professional, can promote their product as being a panacea for all sorts of non-pedal ailments.
Anyone can legally sell foot orthotics. We are all aware of the Dr. Scholls machines in Walmarts, and orthotics sold on the internet via Amazon as well as in all sporting goods stores.
Whether a vendor can make a claim that his or her orthotics can cure herniated discs, scoliosis, or other systemic ailments is a legal matter and most states have district attorneys who investigate fraudulent claims made by any vendor selling any sort of product. Perhaps Dr. Gramuglia should call his local DA's office and report the matter.
Elliot Udell, DPM, Hicksville, NY
08/06/2024
RESPONSES/COMMENTS (NON-CLINICAL) - PART 1
From: Fay Sharit, DPM
Courses that meet this requirement can be found for free on pri-med.com.
Fay Sharit, DPM, Glen Rock, NJ
08/01/2024
RESPONSES/COMMENTS (NON-CLINICAL) - PART 1C
From: John Throckmorton, DPM
I find it interesting that the DO school which Dr. Michael’s daughter is attending won’t let him do the white coat ceremony for his daughter. I was allowed to do this for my daughter at the DO school in Michigan and also help the Dean give her diploma to her after her four years at the graduation ceremony. After being in practice 30+ years in the state, to be with our daughter, we moved to North Carolina She was the first DO doctor to do the palliative fellowship at Vanderbilt and she was, at times, talked down to because of her DO degree. Professional degrees status varies in different states and around the world. I believe that Michigan’s DPM status is due to the fact we had the first residency in the country at Civic Hospital in the early 60s. I am hoping that the number of residencies continues to grow in the states where we lag behind in them, and through interaction with not only our colleagues, but other health professionals, i.e. MDs, DOs, and other recognized providers. John Throckmorton, DPM, Moorseville, NC
08/01/2024
RESPONSES/COMMENTS (NON-CLINICAL) - PART 1B
From: Jose Aponte, DPM
I am sorry to hear that your daughter was denied the privilege of your being able to put the white coat on her future White Coat Ceremony at her present school of osteopathy. In my opinion, this sends the wrong message to the new students. Recently, I attended my son's WCC at a medical school and was allowed to put the white coat on his shoulders without any controversy. As I understand, the WCC was designed by The Arnold P. Gold Foundation. I would contact this foundation and let them know your situation. Maybe they have a position that you can present to the osteopathic school your daughter is attending and hopefully help change their thoughts about all this. Regardless of the outcome of this situation, your daughter should be very proud of you for being a DPM. Jose Aponte, DPM, Caguas, PR
08/01/2024
RESPONSES/COMMENTS (NON-CLINICAL) - PART 1A
From: Stephen Musser, DPM
I disagree with your daughter's school decision. If the state where her school is located includes podiatry in the definition as a physician, then I think you or your daughter can argue/refute the administration's decision. I once had an MD/DO point out to me that I shouldn't be parking in a physician designated parking spot. I politely told him I am considered a physician in the eyes of the Ohio medical board and left my car where I parked it. Nothing came of it and nothing more was said.
Stephen Musser, DPM, Cleveland, OH
07/25/2024
RESPONSES/COMMENTS (NON-CLINICAL) - PART 1
RE: Student Indebtedness
From: Ira Kraus, DPM
I have been watching this item with particular interest. I think that this is an important opportunity for our colleagues not only to donate themselves through the APMA Educational Foundation, but to also impress upon the companies we support that they need to give back, using PICA as an example, to make a meaningful impact on the lives of our students pursuing careers in podiatric medicine and surgery.
When Talar Medical was founded, we made a commitment to address this issue and we to date have donated $50,000 toward student scholarships. We believe that every contribution can make a difference. However, to effectively combat student debt and promote access to education, we need more companies to join us in this cause.
I encourage you to impress upon the companies you utilize to consider how they can contribute to the APMA Educational Foundation. By donating to this worthy initiative, we can help alleviate the financial burden on students and encourage the next generation of healthcare professionals. Together, we can work toward reducing student indebtedness and fostering a brighter future for those entering the podiatric field.
Ira Kraus, DPM, Whitefish, MT
07/19/2024
RESPONSES/COMMENTS (NON-CLINICAL) - PART 1
RE: Medical School Debt
From: Paul Kesselman, DPM
According to a recent report, average medical school debt now is greater than $200,000. Many states now have programs which help to erase some or all of the debt. Why is podiatry school debt which likely is as much if not more than the average medical school debt not provided with these same programs? Where are the schools or APMA with respect to obtaining the same level of financial relief for these students/residents/young practitioners?
Students are already encumbered with hundreds of thousands of dollars in undergraduate debt. The thought of taking on another $200K plus dollars in debt for podiatry school and then working as a resident for 3 more years is often a non-starter, deterring many from entering our profession.
I cannot fathom starting a family with the amount of debt these young people are faced with. The future of every practitioner and the APMA is in our students. The APMA and colleges must make this issue a priority. Podiatry school debt relief should receive the same relief programs as the MD/DO students/residents/young practitioners.
Paul Kesselman, DPM, Oceanside, NY
07/01/2024
RESPONSES/COMMENTS (NON-CLINICAL) - PART 1
RE: Has APMA Appointed Future Action Strategists?
From: Lawrence Rubin, DPM
At all times, healthcare professional organizations responsible for public outreach and relations usually have appointed future actions strategists. These qualified persons constantly monitor the standing its members have in changing aspects within the healthcare marketplace, including any significant changes in reimbursement issues.
I have been a member of APMA since 1958, and I am hoping that the APMA has done now what it has done in the past by appointing qualified strategists during these rapidly changing times (such as was done prior to change of the name of the profession from chiropody to podiatry). If it has, these strategists are realizing that the quickly advancing Medicare spearheaded transition from fee-for-service reimbursement to value-based care (VBC) is already devaluing payment for elective, "non-life threatening” surgery, and it is increasing the reimbursement value of prevention and chronic disease management E/M services. In podiatric medicine, chronic diseases include, but are not limited to diabetes peripheral neuropathy (DPN) and peripheral artery disease (PAD).
I am concerned about this because recent board certification discussions that appear to ultimately put, "most of all of podiatry's eggs in one surgery basket" could, to say the least, be counterproductive for the profession of podiatry.
Lawrence Rubin, DPM, Las Vegas, NV
06/27/2024
RESPONSES/COMMENTS (NON-CLINICAL) - PART 1
RE: Podiatrists Self-Identifying as" Dr." or "Physician"
From: Carl Solomon DPM
Putting aside the discussion of whether or not podiatrists are physicians, I’d like to express some thoughts about how we address ourselves in that context. I can hardly recall an instance in which one of my MD/DO friends addressed him/herself as “physician”. When asked, or introduced, it’s “I’m an oncologist, orthopedist, rheumatologist, general surgeon…”, whatever. My dentist friends aren't too proud to be identified as a dentist...perhaps when appropriate, oral surgeon. Not physician.
And when I see the use of the term “Dr.” written in front of somebody’s name without other explanation, almost without exception, that’s a de facto acknowledgement that “I am not an MD”. This was personified on the sign-in sheet at one of my hospitals’ Dept. of surgery meetings. Everyone signed in simply with their name, with the exception of two, each of whom signed “Dr. Xxxxx”. You can guess…
A podiatrist may achieve some level of recognition by assigning him/herself the title of "Dr." or "physician", and the inference is that it represents being an MD. But oftentimes once the details come out, the concealment of the identity as a podiatrist makes it apparent that there is a low level of self-esteem associated with such identity. So whatever special recognition may have been achieved by initially identifying as a Dr. or physician, is actually negated. On the other hand, if one is humble and is acknowledged by another party as being a doctor…podiatrist, the level of recognition will remain high. If you can’t take pride in being a podiatrist, you should have spent the time and effort doing something else!
Carl Solomon, DPM, Dallas, TX
06/25/2024
RESPONSES/COMMENTS (NON-CLINICAL) - PART 1
RE: AI and Podiatry
From: Lawrence Rubin, DPM
As podiatry board certification matters are bringing the profession closer and closer to there being mainly surgery limited practices, we'd better figure out a way to combat present and future bad AI public information. Let's say a footsore person gives AI this question: "Where can I go to get this big, red, sore bunion taken care of?"
It surely will not be to the benefit of the patient or podiatric surgeon for the AI answer to be, "Go to the Walgreens store nearest you. Ask the pharmacist where you can find bunion shields to reduce pain and inflammation caused by shoes and also Tylenol for bouts of intense pain." Forewarned Is Forearmed. We have to prepare ourselves to deal with AI. It’s good to see that APMA will have a lecture on AI at its August meeting.
Lawrence Rubin, DPM, Las Vegas, NV
06/20/2024
RESPONSES/COMMENTS (NON-CLINICAL) - PART 1
From: Allen Jacobs, DPM
I suggest this article for all PM News readers.
Allen Jacobs, DPM, St. Louis, MO
06/06/2024
RESPONSES/COMMENTS (NON-CLINICAL) - PART 1B
From: Jack Ressler, DPM
Why pay someone thousands of dollars to evaluate your own practice when all they are going to do is look over your numbers without even making an in-person evaluation of your office? They will offer to come out and evaluate your practice but at an even higher price. You can save money up front and sign a contract with other companies that will charge you a percentage of your sale price but you are at their mercy and cannot control the extent at which they advertise your practice. Signing with one of these companies gives them complete control of the sale of your practice even if you find your own buyer. I doubt they will give you exclusions.
Who better to value your practice than yourself? It is you who know your patients, staff, physical office set-up, demographics, and numbers better than anyone. The valuation of your practice comes down to one simple thing and that is the number a potential buyer is willing to pay. When I sold my main practice in 2016, I advertised it in the classified section of this forum. I did all of the work myself and paid a very reasonable amount for advertising and...
Editor's note: Dr. Ressler's extended-length can be read here.
06/06/2024
RESPONSES/COMMENTS (NON-CLINICAL) - PART 1A
From: Hal Ornstein, DPM
I highly recommend Mike Crosby, CPA of Provider Resources as a practice appraisal expert. He has performed this service for hundreds of podiatry practices and been doing this for many years. He is responsive, knowledgeable, and fair to all parties involved.
Hal Ornstein, DPM, Howell, NJ
05/21/2024
RESPONSES/COMMENTS (NON-CLINICAL) - PART 1
RE: Podiatry/Chiropody and Surgery
From: H. David Gottlieb, DPM
Surgery has been part of podiatry's DNA since its founding. While looking through some old pictures, I found some I took of my uncle's 1933 graduation picture from the Illinois College of Chiropody and Surgery. l am happy to share this picture if anyone needs confirmation that Surgery was part of the College's name and our profession's scope. Additionally, if you review back issues of Chiropody Reports or its defunct successor Podiatry Reports, you will also find many articles regarding surgical procedures of the foot. They may not be talar-calcaneal fusions, etc., but surgery has been a part of the average chiropody/podiatry practice from the beginning.
The concept of pay at time of treatment is also not new. Back then, medicine of all types was cash only. My father, who joined his brother's practice in 1943, has related to me that he would co-sign bank loans for his surgical patients. He rarely if ever had a default since the patients were so grateful that their pain was gone.
What's old is again new. I believe that medicine and surgery in the U.S. should be practiced along the model created by the Veterans' Health Administration. Call it the Civilians' Health Administration, dispense with the insurance companies as well as all other government-run health entities. Pay us a fair salary, reasonable working hours, evidence-based treatment protocols. Cash-only could still exist and even thrive for those with the knack for it.
H. David Gottlieb, DPM, Baltimore, MD
05/20/2024
RESPONSES/COMMENTS (NON-CLINICAL) - PART 1
RE: Employed vs. Self-Employed Doctors
From: H. David Gottlieb, DPM
I recommend everyone reading this to also read a fascinating book by the Nobel Prize winner in economics - author Daniel Kahneman. The book is called Thinking, Fast and Slow.
There is a relevant passage regarding the statistical likelihood of financial success, a topic currently being debated here. I quote from page 257: "More generally, the financial benefits of self-employment are mediocre: given the same qualifications, people achieve higher average returns by selling their skills to employers than by setting out on their own. The evidence suggests that optimism is widespread, stubborn, and costly."
One should keep this in mind before setting out on their own.
H. David Gottlieb, DPM, Baltimore, MD
05/17/2024
RESPONSES/COMMENTS (NON-CLINICAL) - PART 1
RE: Is the Limited License of Podiatric Physicians Costing the Healthcare System More Money?
From: Bret Ribotsky, DPM
I had an opportunity this week to attend a pharmaceutical-sponsored county podiatric meeting here in South Florida, and the speaker was from out of state, a well known expert, discussing wound care grafts to apply. The lecture showed multiple pictures of completely or almost completely granulated wound beds to which they were applying a placenta graft tissue weekly at $2,500 per application, up to a total of $25,000 per application. When I queried why not just put a split-thickness skin graft over this wound, I learned that it was not within the podiatric license in the state in which this person practiced.
This got me thinking, is our limited license actually costing the system more money because of the inability to apply all the best medical practices by limitations of licensing? I know that while I practiced, I often would apply a split-thickness skin graft on a fully granulated wound bed. I was quite happy with then using additional products as needed, if necessary, What do others think about using these expensive grafts where the company makes all the money and the doctors do not?
Bret Ribotsky, DPM, Fort Lauderdale, FL
05/10/2024
RESPONSES/COMMENTS (NON-CLINICAL) - PART 1B
From: Richard M. Maleski, DPM, RPh
The recent thread in this forum on the future of podiatry has been extremely interesting and thought-provoking, with the most recent emphasis on the pros and cons of direct pay versus the more typical insurance dominated practice model. Let's not lose our historical perspective on this. Back in the 1960s, with the advent of Medicare, everything in healthcare changed. Prior to that, virtually all practices were direct pay, and the only insurance coverage was Major Medical, sometimes referred to simply as "hospitalization." When Medicare came around, our profession clamored to be included.
There are colorful stories of the behind closed doors antics that went on inside politicians' offices to assure that podiatric services would be covered. Since then, any time there has been a change, such as the emergence of managed care, we, along with every other medical group have done everything possible to keep ourselves included. And by being included in this payment model, we have been able to expand our status within...
Editor's note: Dr. Maleski's extended-letter can be read here.
05/07/2024
RESPONSES/COMMENTS (NON-CLINICAL) - PART 1B
From: Kathleen Neuhoff, DPM
It is unfortunate that local providers turfed their patients to Dr. Tomczak. However, in our area, this kind of turfing is rampant among those who accept insurance. Most of our local Latino population does not have insurance and many providers will not see them at all. Ironically, when I accepted insurance, I was taken to task by the administration of our local hospital because I gave a significant discount to all religious leaders (rabbis, priests, ministers, nuns, etc.). I was advised that I was in violation of the contracts with my insurance carriers and had to “cease and desist”. Now that I have no contacts with insurance companies, I have restored these discounts. I also see large numbers of patients who have no insurance and am able to provide care for them at a cost they can afford. Some of these patients are very sad. For example, Wednesday I saw a gentleman who had had an ingrown nail for months. He had been unable to find anyone to treat him until the local” free” clinic sent him to me. He is an uncontrolled diabetic and had osteomyelitis of the entire distal and part of the proximal phalanx. I had him admitted to the hospital which will end up eating the cost, and I will probably need to amputate at least his hallux. We have failed this patient at a huge cost to him and to our healthcare system. I do not think this is an issue of self-pay vs. insurance providers. It is a loss of the patient care mentality which should guide all of us. Kathleen Neuhoff, DPM, South Bend, IN
05/07/2024
RESPONSES/COMMENTS (NON-CLINICAL) - PART 1A
From: Greg Amarantos, DPM
I find it interesting how a post can be interpreted from a different lens and diametrically opposing conclusions are reached. In reading Dr. Tomczak's response to Dr. Roth, I read Dr. Roth's post differently.
While we should believe we are providing the best possible care, we have to face the facts; in private practice, our treatment protocols are at least partially driven by the insurance company policies. I do not read any impugning of the profession. Dr. Roth should believe he is providing the best care, as should you and I. Cash frees the practitioner from the shackles of the insurance company policies. Think of the man hours used on "meaningless use/MIPS" and the like. Dr. Roth reminds me that medicine made a deal with the devil years ago and...
Editor's note: Dr. Amarantos' extended-length letter can be read here.
04/23/2024
RESPONSES/COMMENTS (NON-CLINICAL) - PART 1
RE: The Future of Podiatry
From: Allen M. Jacobs, DPM
A recent article published in KevinMD.com, written by a St. Louis plastic surgeon, Dr. Samer Cabbabe, caught my attention. I suggest that his discussion on the corporatization of medicine is thought-provoking. Many of his conclusions are, in my opinion, applicable to podiatry. Dr. Cabbabe concludes his article with certain recommendations for the future of quality medical care. I will paraphrase some of these with podiatry relevance and additionally share my personal opinions.
1. Curriculum changes are needed to focus on non-clinical aspects of medicine, including insurance, leadership, business, and other political aspects of medical care delivery. Medicine is a business, and practice survival as well as decision-making regarding employment require knowledge and good information. The business of medicine must be taken seriously by the...
Editor's note: Dr. Jacobs' extended-length letter can be read here.
04/09/2024
RESPONSES/COMMENTS (NON-CLINICAL) - PART 1C
From: Edward S. Orman, DPM
I have also used Quick Books for about 30 years. Initially, it was 3-5 years before I had to get a new version. Over the years, the price more than doubled. In 2023, I looked into QB online and ended up purchasing that. I thought I was saving money but was lied to multiple times about the cost. It ended up being more expensive. It's a completely different program, which I didn’t like, with a steep learning curve. I eventually went back to QB desktop. These companies are pigs and don’t care about their clients. Edward S. Orman, DPM, Perry Hall, MD
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